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home based data entryI agree with you.<br /><a href="http://www.bpojobsathome.com" rel="nofollow"> home based data entry </a>Nishanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461392896444120934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-56141208741010674112010-03-24T10:13:04.614+01:002010-03-24T10:13:04.614+01:00I do find it difficult to confront people, especia...I do find it difficult to confront people, especially when they have strong views on it. Most of the time I am happy to let it go, most parenting doesn't affect me anyway. But on this issue, I wish I'd said something more to him, I really do.Dorset Dispatcheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10457466586411004146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-3159679952042754232010-03-23T22:14:38.173+01:002010-03-23T22:14:38.173+01:00I'm also with you on the vaccination issue. I&...I'm also with you on the vaccination issue. I'll never forget my worry when my daughter was diagnosed with measles before she got vaccinated. I'm sure it wasn't measles (because she would have infected me and didn't), but it's such a nasty disease that even the possibility made me very worried indeed.<br /><br />I had a conversation today with a group of people who object to vaccinations. The reasoning was somehting like this: in Chinese medicine, mumps and measles are considered necessary child hood illnesses that make you stronger if you've been through them. Vaccinations are not natural and the whole approach to health in our society is focussed on illness rather than keeping well. <br /><br />I didn't confront either, it was a first meeting, I was on my own with my strong views, I did consider saying something but it's hard if there's such strong agreement in a group, especially when otherwise the same people have very reasonable views. I would have begged to differ had I known them better.cartsidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07443437791014670129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-2247282116688231022010-03-23T11:08:47.904+01:002010-03-23T11:08:47.904+01:00Potty - No one is going to it appears. Mine both h...Potty - No one is going to it appears. Mine both had chicken pox before they were 2. Not deliberately, but Adam got it from nursery and passed it on... Nice to know that it has been done so we can stop worrying about it.<br /><br />LCM - exactly.<br /><br />Muddling - loved your post on this issue!<br /><br />Lady Mama - Makes me livid too. Really gets the old blood boiling!<br /><br />Expat Mum - We do all complain about the Nanny state but like you say, sometimes we obviously need a bit of nannying!<br /><br />Kathryn - I had a friend in Britain that I had to stop seeing because I couldn't get over that she refused to vaccinate her children. It made me so angry.<br /><br />Hampshire Flyer - exactly.<br /><br />Modern Dilemma - I think to talk t your GP is a very sensible idea. Hopeful (s)he can allay some of your fears and suggest a course of action that is acceptable to you. Thanks for the meme!<br /><br />SC - if mine hadn't already had it, I'd probably be paying for them to have the vaccine too.<br /><br />Chic Mama - Poor little thing. I think you are right, people don't really know or think about the public health consequences of their decisions. They should be educated so that they can at least factor that into their decisions. I'll still be cross if they choose not to vaccinate unless they have a bloody good reason!<br /><br />Iota - I can see your point of view. And I agree that with a real reaction then the situation is different. But with the potentially serious childhood diseases, the ones that can kill and disable, surely people should vaccinate. If nothing else, they should be aware of the danger they are putting OTHER peoples children in by choosing not to do so. <br /><br />Good to see you are feeling ornery. Always healthy I feel. <br /><br />Sarah - people do make decisions on strange reasons. Frustrating, especially when the medical evidence is there in front of people, but they just refuse to read or think about it rationally.Dorset Dispatcheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10457466586411004146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-83476554261778413122010-03-23T10:52:06.367+01:002010-03-23T10:52:06.367+01:00CW - Obviously, medical reasons not to have the ja...CW - Obviously, medical reasons not to have the jabs are a different thing from choosing not to. I agree with you, no excuse!<br /><br />Glowstars - Exactly!<br /><br />Trish - it is interesting, no real anti vaccine people commenting here. Wonder if I was too strongly against in my post, or whether people who read my blog are the type who will get their children vaccinated?<br /><br />RR - it is distressing to see them cry so much, especially when they give the doctor their bestest sunniest smile right beforehand!<br /><br />A&U - I agree, to not vaccinate is stupid and selfish. I was hoping some people would comment who could enlighten me as to why they choose not to, but everyone is pro jabs so far!<br /><br />Deer Baby - Exactly. I read an article once about a boy who had just been released from hospital after being treated for cancer, and someone else at the playgroup had measles and it killed the boy. Tragic and totally avoidable.<br /><br />TW - mine too. Only not TB.<br /><br />Helena Halme - Me too, I just don't understand it. I think people think that these diseases can't be as bad as everyone says... but they can!<br /><br />Plan B - I do think it is selfish, and needlessly exposes other peoples children to risk. <br /><br />Paradise - Living in paradise does tend to mean a lot of nasty jabs. Luke got chicken pox at 9 weeks and had a mild case of shingles the following year. Poor lad!<br /><br />VBC - it is like that here too, which is why I was so surprised this little girl wasn't vaccinated.<br /><br />NVG - I think people don't appreciate the public health issue of jabs when considering whether to have their own children vaccinated.Dorset Dispatcheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10457466586411004146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-33995131889049444392010-03-23T08:26:04.524+01:002010-03-23T08:26:04.524+01:00Fear and a confusion over what constitutes persona...Fear and a confusion over what constitutes personal research.<br /><br />The red tops play havoc all over the globe with various country-centric versions of vaccination panic (or anti aids meds, depending where you are).<br /><br />Parents then seek out in the main sources of misinformation that supports the panic, which they swallow unthinkingly whole, whilst dismissing out of hand anything that contradicts the panic. They tend to fall head first into conspiracy theories because the David V Goliath ideology appeals and it supports a decision that does not involve sticking needles in their tiny babies. which is always going to have an edge emotionally over big needle in tiny thigh.<br /><br />Not to mention that some make it their life's work "not to be a sheep", as though anything that is walking against the flow is automatically preferable. I swear that a noticeable proportion of the other home educators I meet seem to do it, not because it makes sense to them in the educational sense, but mainly because it cements their status as an "altie" or "free thinker" (makes cat fur ball noises) so I tend not to underestimate the appeal on that basis.<br /><br />I think the best antidote is cloning Ben G. and insisting that newspapers take responsibility for any hyped up disinformation they publish for the sake of circulation figures.(or make "Bad Science" required reading in the same way the "What to expect when you get as big and fat as an elephant, eating everything in sight" is.)<br /><br />Make if fashionable to be able to read a scientific study (which isn't that hard, I was surprised how easy it was), make it a la mode to ask for evidence and to insist that pseudoscientific babble is backed up with good quality proof. Make Cochrane de rigure as a homepage.<br /><br />We are going to have to work towards "Geek is chic".<br /><br />"The whole anti-medicine thing generally has me fuming anyhow as those sorts of people take all manner of "natural remedies" that haven't had half as stringent testing as licensed medicine."<br /><br />Oh that it were at least half as stringent. Much of it is completely untested or where it has been tested, has been proven to be as much use as vaccinating/healing yourself via self flagellation with a wet lettuce leaf.<br /><br />Actually maybe "geek is chic" could be a good meme for a well read mummy blog to start, about time the idea that in the main mummies are science illiterate twerps who see "big pharma" black helicopters everywhere was counteracted.TEFL Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13660756490115614438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-6977564020564931462010-03-23T04:49:00.069+01:002010-03-23T04:49:00.069+01:00I'm going to be that head-above-the-parapet co...I'm going to be that head-above-the-parapet commenter. I'm just feeling ornery.<br /><br />I think vaccinations are a good thing, and my 3 have all had theirs. In America, they are compulsory, and the kids couldn't attend school or preschool without them, or some kind of proof that I held religious views that precluded them. So I have experienced the UK persuasive approach and the US compulsory approach.<br /><br />I must admit I didn't like NOT having the choice. For example, my 2 oldest ones had chicken pox (the illness) before we moved here. My 3rd hadn't, so had to have the vaccination. My US doctor said that in his opinion chicken pox is not an illness that needs vaccination (and my experience with my 2 older children bears that out). But he had no choice, and I had no choice. (And I don't understand about shingles - you can only get it if you've had chicken pox, so surely being vaccinated against chicken pox means that you wouldn't ever get shingles either.)<br /><br />The US list of vaccinations is already longer than the UK one, and they keep adding to it. The first doses are given at birth, and where our kids have 4 DTP doses before school age, American kids have 5. It wouldn't surprise me if the flu jab became compulsory. <br /><br />Oh, and my brother had a severe reaction to one vaccination. My mother didn't want him to have the second dose. The GP told her not to be so silly. She insisted on seeing a specialist. He told her she was absolutely right, that he shouldn't have the second dose under any circs, and that she may well have saved his life by seeking a second opinion. Perhaps that's coloured my thinking over the years.<br /><br />I agree in principle that people should vaccinate, and not rely on herd immunity without playing their own part. But I would also want to uphold people's freedom of choice. Would you blame my mother if she'd chosen not to vaccinate her other children? (This didn't arise as my brother was the youngest.) <br /><br />There. Told you I was feeling ornery.Iota https://www.blogger.com/profile/08507184283437057648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-73460623987467296622010-03-23T04:44:37.534+01:002010-03-23T04:44:37.534+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Iota https://www.blogger.com/profile/08507184283437057648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-4309596546742707042010-03-23T00:00:21.971+01:002010-03-23T00:00:21.971+01:00My daughter caught whopping cough from someone tha...My daughter caught whopping cough from someone that hadn't been vaccinated, she had so it was called something slightly different. She was so ill for over six months and is still tiny now. So, I'm an advocate for immunisations. Saying that I don't think people should be forced to have them but they should made aware of the consequences of not to their child and others around them.Chic Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01803588856685163353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-2819709296286173602010-03-22T22:02:48.243+01:002010-03-22T22:02:48.243+01:00So many comments, but I'll add my 2p anyway! I...So many comments, but I'll add my 2p anyway! I totally agree with you. People who refuse to vaccinate their children are selfish and ill-informed. Mine have had them all, including swine flu. I'll be paying for them to have the chicken pox immunisation too. Another reason that it isn't available on the NHS is that the take up would be so low, they are targeting resources elsewhere.sanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12004801243819162845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-19537118956261090422010-03-22T21:36:09.717+01:002010-03-22T21:36:09.717+01:00It is a minefield I agree to find yourself in that...It is a minefield I agree to find yourself in that tricky conversation with another parent and frankly, I still have no idea why a parent would say no to all jabs. <br /><br /> I MMR'd late with the first 2 and number 3 hasn't had it yet. I'm terrified about the autism spectrum link with ED having fun in that department and now its another girl....I know its crazy. You've prompted me to make an appointment with the GP and at least talk about this rather than hiding it away in the part of my brain marked "To Worry About At A Later Date".<br /><br />On a much lighter note, I have tagged you over at mine with a Happiness MeMe. Tell us about 10 things which are making you happy right now. Hope you have time with the upcoming travel etc.<br /><br />MD xxMrsVikkitoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14907024797797093935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-33292448477800563472010-03-22T20:23:09.427+01:002010-03-22T20:23:09.427+01:00The more I think about it the crosser it makes me ...The more I think about it the crosser it makes me (didn't mean you not confronting In a bad way - think it's a hard thing to talk about face to face)Muddling Alonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04702217530704657676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-47655844228074242462010-03-22T20:08:13.423+01:002010-03-22T20:08:13.423+01:00This feels like another one of those 'common s...This feels like another one of those 'common sense' things ('everybody knows they don't work' so why do it....) - infuriating when it means everyone else suffers...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-47472440349293390002010-03-22T20:00:29.989+01:002010-03-22T20:00:29.989+01:00I agree with all of you - but one of our closest f...I agree with all of you - but one of our closest friends doesn't - it is just beyond us - and drives us to distraction - we too had our kids vaccinated against everything possible (like VB in Catalyuna even when it meant paying for it as the local health authroity in Italy didn't pass it on) - I can't believe some parents can be so bloody stupid when it comes to their kids' health!kathrynhttp://www.ourprivateblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-62331741213324559502010-03-22T18:05:22.045+01:002010-03-22T18:05:22.045+01:00I lived first hand with someone who contracted a p...I lived first hand with someone who contracted a preventable disease (polio) as a 6 month old baby so am a fan of vacinnes. My sister works with children and babies and reports that illnesses like measles are back on the rise because of the non-vacinnating parents. Grrr.<br />In many states in the US, you can't register your child for school unless they are up to date with their shots (with some exceptions). It sounds a bit big brother-ish but it's for a reason.Expat mumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798190669591053390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-20953369516092197882010-03-22T17:16:21.141+01:002010-03-22T17:16:21.141+01:00My opinion is, those who aren't vaccinating th...My opinion is, those who aren't vaccinating their children are being selfish and, like you said, are relying on the fact that the rest of us *have* vaccinated our kids and therefore their kids will be safe. <br /><br />Interestingly, cases of polio still exist in some Hutterite communities, where they don't believe in vaccines. <br /><br />These diseases - the ones we immunize our kids against - they do still exist. The only reason we don't contract them any more is because we're all vaccinated against them!<br /><br />No one wants to have their kids injected with chemicals, but you weigh up the risk of the vaccine against the risk of disease that once wiped out kids like flies, and you make the decision that's best for your kids and for your community. <br /><br />(Can you tell this issue really makes me mad?)Lady Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00933248315325429447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-67905264842790905992010-03-22T16:33:20.590+01:002010-03-22T16:33:20.590+01:00Opting not to vaccinate and rely on the herd immun...Opting not to vaccinate and rely on the herd immunity offered by other people vaccinating seems plain silly to me, as does the frequently touted argument that the actual diseases aren't that bad after all and that having them isn't a bad thing for your child.<br /><br />Vaccination is a great thing - its saving lives right here and nowMuddling Alonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04702217530704657676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-47007496414415271072010-03-22T16:30:23.515+01:002010-03-22T16:30:23.515+01:00I'm with you on this as well. Afraid that in t...I'm with you on this as well. Afraid that in this day and age with the advances in medicine there is no excuse to put our own children (or others) at risk.<br />Opting to 'not' vaccinate is selfish, narrow-minded and irresponsible. I don't care what anyone says in defense of this type of decision.<br />We were routinely vaccinated as children (witness as an example the lovely smallpox scar on my arm) and it was never up for debate. No wonder there is a recurrence of illnesses - some of which as noted above can be fatal - that should have been near extinct by now.<br />I have nothing against natural remedies, but let's be smart here people. We are talking about putting our children's lives at risk. Is that really worth 'opting out'?<br /><br />LCM xLondon City (mum)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13700717302832203631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-83249175024516789822010-03-22T16:12:04.727+01:002010-03-22T16:12:04.727+01:00I'm just wondering if there are going to be an...I'm just wondering if there are going to be any commenters who are willing to put their heads above the parapet on this one and disagree... Not me, Brit; I totally agree with you. And as for the chicken pox vaccination, it's standard in the US (children HAVE to have it), and when we enrolled the boys at an American school the only reason they didn't have to was because I put them both in harms way (callous mummy should be my name) and made sure they got it before they reached school age...Potty Mummyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04751869800592294891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-86227728517965957332010-03-22T16:11:19.285+01:002010-03-22T16:11:19.285+01:00It amazes me that people do not vaccinate. Being m...It amazes me that people do not vaccinate. Being married to a doctor we give our children every immunisation going (including swine flu) - not only does it protect them but it is an issue of public health. Yet I know of intelligent, educated people who are sceptical of vaccinations. <br /><br />In the USA they vaccinate against chicken pox routinely, and the preschools require all the kids to be vaccinated against a checklist of jabs.nappy valley girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10788949037047084412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3519883976018465014.post-59655499681989545372010-03-22T15:15:59.176+01:002010-03-22T15:15:59.176+01:00That's an interesting point from Plan B, Josep...That's an interesting point from Plan B, Joseph went to the state run nursery in the village and I had to produce evidence that he was up to date with all his jabs before they would accept him.Very Bored in Catalunyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07695203425270299420noreply@blogger.com